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MEDICAL EMERGENCIES IN SPACE
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MEDICAL EMERGENCIES IN SPACE

Tamarack R. Czarnik, MD

Resident, Aerospace Medicine - Wright State University

http://chapters.marssociety.org/usa/oh/aero5.htm

OVERVIEW

Mechanical failures in spaceflight are so routine as to be
considered unavoidable; whether you hear about it or not, nearly
every spaceflight will have failures of one or more components.
Usually these failures are not critical, and can be fixed
in-flight without disrupting mission objectives. Occasionally,
several failures occurring simultaneously will threaten to abort
the mission (as on STS-93, with two engine computer crashes,
loss of hydrogen fuel and low orbit), or one mission-critical or
sensitive component will fail, cutting short the flight (as on
Challenger's O-ring or Apollo 13's #2 oxygen tank).

So it is with the human body in spaceflight; while minor
'failures' (e.g. skin infections, respiratory symptoms, etc) are
commonplace, they can usually be easily treated in-flight with
minimal mission disruption. But infrequently, several 'minor'
problems will combine to complicate a mission, or one major
exposure or illness in-flight will abort or shorten the flight.
This paper will first examine the incidence of and
accommodations to 'minor' medical breakdowns in-flight, then
briefly describe the mission-threatening occurrences thus far.

'MINOR' AILMENTS

SPACE MOTION SICKNESS

By far the most common of ailments on entering space is Space
Motion Sickness, or SMS. As discussed in a previous paper
('Countermeasures to Long-Duration Spaceflight', Part One), this
poorly-understood syndrome of sweating, dizziness, nausea and
vomiting affects 2/3rds to 3/4s of all astronauts and can be
disabling. EVAs (extra-vehicular activities, or 'spacewalks')
are not scheduled for the first 3 days of a Shuttle mission for
just this reason. But since astronaut doctor Bagian gave the
first intramuscular injection of Phenergan in-flight for a
severe and disabling case back in 1990 (1), there has been
slowly growing acceptance of this well-tolerated (though
invasive) treatment.

HEADACHE AND BACK PAIN

Second only to medications (like Phenergan) for SMS is
consumption of analgesics, predominantly for headache and back
pain. Headache in space seems to be a function of fluid
accumulation in the head and sinuses; try standing on your head
for a few hours and see what happens. While Mercury crews
carried nothing for pain, Gemini missions carried Aspirin and
injectable Demerol, and Apollo added Tylenol and Darvon.

Back pain, on the other hand, seems to result from the body's
'antigravity' (slow twitch) muscles having nothing better to do.
Because there is no gravity to hold yourself erect against,
astronaut's naturally assume a curled, fetal position when
relaxed. Since the back is designed with a lumbar curve to help
counteract gravity, muscles in the lower back begin to ache. I
have not yet found data to suggest wearing the Russian 'Penguin
suit' (with strategically placed bungee-like resistive cords)
lessens this syndrome.

INFECTIONS

Minor infections of the skin, eyes and respiratory tract were
reported 13 times in Apollo (including stomatitis, pharyngitis,
recurrent inguinal and axillary infections) (2), and 8 times in
Skylab (3), despite carrying Tetracycline, Ampicillin and
Neosporin antibiotics (4).

Viral upper respiratory infections occurred 3 times on Apollo
(not counting nasal stuffiness and rhinitis of undetermined
origins), but a 'cold' in space isn't just a nuisance; just ask
Wally Schirra. Developing a cold on Apollo 7, it quickly spread
to shipmates Donn Eisele and Walter Cunningham. But in
microgravity, the nose won't drain, so the sinuses become more
packed and with fluid and uncomfortable, aggravating the natural
headward movement of fluid and congestion. Sinus pressure and
pain caused some strained relations with Mission Control,
worsened by the astronauts' decision not to wear helmets on
re-entry ( to allow pressure on the ear drums to equalize as
cabin pressure changed on descent). None of the three ever flew
in space again.

Skylab also had one occurent of a urinary tract infection
in-flight (3), but nothing to compare with Fred Haise's UTI on
Apollo 13 (of which, more later).

Why are infections common in spaceflight? Without gravity,
particles larger than a micron in size (which normally settle to
the floor) remain in the cabin atmosphere, irritating eyes and
lungs. Some potentially harmful bacteria grow faster and yield
higher numbers in spaceflight (5,6). Lymphocytes, a kind of
white blood cell that fight infection, show decreased activation
in space (7). Immunoglobulins ('antibodies') are decreased after
long-duration spaceflight (8), and cell-mediated immunity
appears to be decreased as well (9). Cosmonauts routinely take
Lactobacillus (a normal and harmless intestinal bacteria)
supplements to offset the observed shift to (potentially
harmful) Enterobacteria and Clostridia. There is even evidence
that some antibiotics work less well in microgravity, presumable
because of gravity-sensitive mechanisms of action (10).

'RASHES'

Skin infections usually require a break in the skin to set in,
and these too are frequent in space. Since humans cannot live in
zero pressure, spacesuits are 'inflated' in space, like
balloons. This makes joints hard to move, especially the fingers
(which are moved most frequently), and working in space gloves
can rub fingers raw and cause subungual hematomas (blood under
the fingernails). These contributed to two skin infections on
Skylab and five subungual hematomas on Apollo; no comprehensive
data are yet available for the ongoing Shuttle program.

Astronauts frequently wear biosensors, giving us data on their
condition. But skin irritation from these biosensors is common,
being reported 11 times during the Apollo program (2). As Apollo
also had no toilet facilities, astronauts got excoriations from
constantly wearing urine collection devices.

SERIOUS AILMENTS

As noted in 'Adaptations to Long-Duration Spaceflight', many
ominous predictions of the consequences of spaceflight have been
proposed. Increased urinary calcium, decreased urinary pH,
decreased urine volume and decreased urinary citrate, which all
occur in spaceflight (11), increase the risk of kidney stones.
Bones thinned from long months in microgravity are expected to
be more susceptible to fracture, either during the mission or on
return to Earth. Orthostatic intolerance and loss of aerobic
capacity could inhibit astronauts' ability to quickly escape
from an emergency landing (12).

However, as also noted in 'Adaptations', many of the earlier
fears did not pan out. Astronauts did not choke on their own
saliva, the lungs did not fill with fluid, and hallucinations
have not been a problem. So how real are these concerns? With
literally dozens of cosmonauts having spent more than 6 months
continuously in space, and 4 (Polyakov, Avdeyev, Manarov and V.
Titov) for longer than 12 months, what serious medical ailments
have been noted in spaceflight?

CARDIAC DYSRHYTHMIAS

Numerous irregularities of heart rhythm have been noted, both in
the American and Soviet/Russian space programs. During Skylab,
one crewmember had a 5-beat run of ventricular tachycardia (a
rhythm that can progress easily into ventricular fibrillation
and death) during a lower-body negative pressure protocol, while
another had episodes of "wandering supraventricular pacemaker"
(13). During reentry, one Shuttle crewmember showed up to 16
PVCs per minute, and another had sustained ventricular bigeminy
during EVA (all rhythms which can lead to death). One Soviet
cosmonaut had to be returned to Earth prematurely for abnormal
heart rhythms; Alexander Laveikin, having spent 6 months on Mir
with Yuri Romanenko (who went on to spend 430 consecutive days
on Mir), had to cut short his mission and return due to
dysrhythmias (14) (although there is also a suggestion that
interpersonal issues played a role - see under "Psychological
Problems). Finally, Vasily Tsibliyev was bumped from an
'internal EVA' in 1997 due to developing an arrhythmia (15).

It is not known if spaceflight (or any of its attendant
circumstances) is inherently arrhythmogenic, but incidence of
arrhythmia has been elevated over preflight incidences.

DECOMPRESSION

Because humans cannot long survive at low pressures, spacesuits,
shuttles and stations must be pressurized. On several occasions,
a breach of pressurization has endangered astronauts' lives.
Vladimir Lyakhov & Aleksandr Aleksandrov, aboard Soyuz T-9 in
1983, prepared to evacuate after hearing a loud crack;
investigation revealed a 3.8 mm impact crater on a window. They
escaped decompression that time, but others were not so lucky.

On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)

On 25 June 97 resupply ship Progress struck the Mir space
station, causing a 20-30 centimeter hole in the Spektr module
and decompressing the station rapidly enough to make Michael
Foale's ears pop. During a subsequent IVA ('internal' EVA),
Pavel Vinogradov's left glove leaks, leaving him with 15 minutes
air; it takes more than half this time to repressurize the node
to safety.

On Soyuz 11's return from Salyut-1 in 1971, a pressure
equalization valve was jerked loose at the jettison of the Soyuz
Orbital Module, depressurizing the cabin. Viktor Patsayev tried
to close the pressure equalization valve, but only got it half
closed before he died. As the cosmonauts were not wearing
pressure suits, Dobrovolskiy, Volkov, and Patsayev were found
dead in their cabin (17).

TOXIC EXPOSURE

Following the 1997 fire aboard Mir, Jerry Linenger and 2
cosmonauts don gas masks to avoid smoke inhalation, benzene and
carbon monoxide. Linenger prepares to intubate victims, but they
emerge safely (18). Later, ethylene glycol (a frequent problem
from 1995-97) leaking from the Kvant-1 coolant loop hits
cosmonaut Tsibliyev head-on, causing eye irritation, lethargy
and nausea (19). Carbon monoxide buildups cause Shannon Lucid to
complain of difficulty thinking (20).

But Mir is by no means the only spacecraft plagued by toxic
exposures. In 1977, during reentry of the Apollo capsule from
the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, inadvertent firing of the
reaction control system during descent exposed the 3 American
astronauts to toxic gases (mostly nitrogen tetroxide). After a
very hard landing, the crew was able to escape the gas by
donning oxygen masks, but not before Vance Brand lost
consciousness. All crewmembers developed a chemical pneumonitis,
and all required intensive therapy and hospitalization (21). And
as recently as 1999, astronauts aboard STS-96 to the nascent
International Space Station complained of headaches, burning and
itching eyes, flushed faces and nausea, suspected to be due to
carbon dioxide buildup (22).

INFECTIONS

After Apollo 13's oxygen tank exploded, the Command Module lost
all power and the three astronauts had to use the attached Lunar
Module as a lifeboat. In addition to enduring freezing
temperatures and dehydration (water was rationed to six ounces
per person per day), all three had to wear their condom-style
urinary catheters constantly. Fred Haise became feverish and
lethargic; medical examination after their successful recovery
indicated a Pseudomonas aeruginosa urinary tract infection
brought on by dehydration. Had their 87-hour ordeal gone on much
longer, all three would likely have had the infection. (23)

In September 1985, Vladimir Vasyutin rode a Soyuz-14 to Salyut-7
with fellow cosmonauts G Grechko and A Volkov for another
record-breaking stay in space. In late October, however,
Vasyutin had lost his appetite and was obviously sick, staying
in bed all day. Mission Control told him to wait for his
condition to change and continue working. But by November his
condition had not improved, and on November 21 the crew returned
to Earth. The Soviets released to the press that he had a fever
of 104o F (40o C) and inflammation for three weeks; the press
initially reported that he had appendicitis, then a prostate
infection. (24)

But there is some indication that Vasyutin's problem may have
been psychological, rather than inflammatory. The crew did not
return immediately, unhurriedly mothballing the station.
Vasyutin himself said he thought the problem was in his frame of
mind, and his condition improved a bit when they were told to
come home. On landing, Vasyutin rejected a stretcher; he was the
first out of the capsule, and reported "I'm feeling all right,
the way I should after a landing. I am very happy to see people.
It has been just the three of us for so long, it is nice to see
so many people." (25)

PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS

While NASA seems only now to be discovering psychological
concerns in spaceflight, the Russians have been dealing with it
for years. Nonetheless, numerous problems have arisen.
Information is scant, as both NASA and the RSA are loathe to
discuss them (both for patient confidentiality and for image
control).

John Blaha, aboard Mir for 4 months in 1996-7, began
experiencing fits of anger, insomnia and withdrawal, exacerbated
by an overdemanding workload. "He was hurting," Linenger
recalls. "He was, in essence, depressed." (26) Blaha confirms
the depression; with a reduced workload and improved support, he
completes his mission.

Salyut-5's visit by the Soyuz-21 cosmonauts Volynov and
Zholobov, slated to beat the 63-day record, was cut short after
seven weeks, and no official reason was given. Based on medical
records (released a year later) indicating a marked decline in
the copilot's health, Soviet news items on the problems of
psychological isolation and sensory deprivation, and the
statement of the crew's general health as "satisfactory" rather
than the far more usual "excellent", author James Oberg
conjectures that psychological problems cut short the mission
(though there is some suggestion that an "acrid odor" from the
cabin air-regeneration system may have been the culprit). (27)

Burrough, in Dragonfly, quotes 'NASA sources who have spoken at
length with Russian psychologists' as stating Soyuz-21 (Volynov
and Zholobov) as terminated early due to "interpersonal issues",
Soyuz T-14 (Vasyutin) due to "mood and performance issues", and
Soyuz TM-2 in 1987 (Laveikin) due to "interpersonal issues and
cardiac irregularity". (28)

Stress from the fire aboard Mir led Jerry Linenger himself to
become more withdrawn and isolated; eventually he even refused
to participate in voice communications. Burrough observes,
"Linenger's voice is high-pitched and shrill; he sounds as if he
is on the verge of some kind of breakdown." (29)

When psychological problems are discussed the "24-hour mutiny"
aboard Skylab-4 is frequently brought up; for one 24-hour
period, astronauts Carr, Gibson and Pogue 'refused' to do any
work, choosing instead to relax, look out the window, and rest.
This is given as evidence that long-duration spaceflight
engenders conspiracy and revolt, and in fact, the rebellion
against NASA Ground Control overtasking led to none of the crew
ever flying again (30). An alternate explanation for the
'sedition' is that all Sundays were scheduled to be 'down time';
the astronauts worked through most of their 'vacation Sundays'
to keep up, but claimed one Sunday as their own for rest and
relaxation. Be that as it may, it is unlikely to be a
coincidence that none of the three ever flew again.

Psychological Special Case - 'The Call of the Abyss'

In the days of sailing ships, physically sound young men would
occasionally throw themselves from the boat and drown, overcome
by fascination with the sea. This "Call of the Waters", as it
was named, may have a latter-day equivalent in spaceflight. Just
as some are compelled to stand on the edge of precipices or
stare off bridges into the void below, some astronauts are
fascinated by the free-falling view of space afforded by
spacewalking. Valeri Ryumin's diary from his 1979 stay aboard
Salyut-6 described his August 15 spacewalk: "You're out of your
mind, I was telling myself - hanging on to a ship in space, and
to your life, and getting ready to admire a sunset." (31)

In fact, right from the start some spacewalkers have been
reluctant to return to the safety of the ship. America's first
spacewalker, Ed White, had to be ordered back into the capsule
by Mission Control. When McDivitt had to tell him it was time to
come back inside, White sighed, "It's the saddest moment of my
life." (32)

But this compulsion to stare into the void almost turned deadly
for rookie cosmonaut Yuri Romanenko. During his 1977 stay
on-board Salyut-6 with Georgi Grechko, a 20 December spacewalk
was scheduled; Grechko would spacewalk, and Romanenko was to
stay inside the airlock, monitoring medical readings. But
Romanenko's curiosity got the better of him; he stuck his head
out of the hatch, then drifted further and further out. When he
started thrashing wildly, Grechko realized his friend's safety
line wasn't attached, and Romanenko was drifting off into space!
By leaning over as Romanenko drifted by, Grechko was able to
grab hold of the safety line and pull him back in. Had Romanenko
been further out, he would have drifted off and eventually
suffocated. (33)

Future spacewalkers would do well to heed Nietzsche's advice:
"When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into
you."

Space is a dangerous place to get sick (mentally or physically),
and help is currently a long way off: evacuation time is
estimated to be 24 hours from Low Earth Orbit (LEO), 3 days from
the Moon, and as long as 2 years from a Mars colony. But what if
definitive treatment could be provided on-site, whether it be in
LEO, on the Moon, on Mars, or beyond? This possibility is the
subject of the final 'Aerospace Medicine 101' paper, "Surgery in
Space".



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16) Landis, G. Personal communication, 1999.

17) Oberg J. Red Star in Orbit, pg. 104. Random House Inc.; New
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18) Burrough, pg. 135.

19) Ibid, pg. 355.

20) 1997 letter from NASA Inspector Roberta Gross to
Representative F. James Sensenbrenner,

Appendix C.

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Chapter 5 available on-line, currently at
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25) Burrough, pp 111-4.

26) Oberg, pp. 145-6.

27) Burrough, pg. 185.

28) Ibid, pg. 178.

29) Ibid, pp. 185-6.

30) Oberg, pg. 217.

31) Wade, 'White' entry, Encyclopedia Astronautica CD-ROM, 1998.

32) Oberg, pp. 165-6.
Pat Flannery
2007-02-11 23:21:55 UTC
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Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)
Never heard of that one before.

Pat
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
2007-02-12 01:36:14 UTC
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Post by Pat Flannery
Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)
Never heard of that one before.
I do. It's a good example of how a "hole in the suit" isn't instantly
fatal. Though I had heard (or perhaps a separate incident) where the skin
got sucked into the hole forming a "hickey" that wasn't noticed until
desuiting.
Post by Pat Flannery
Pat
Pat Flannery
2007-02-12 06:17:08 UTC
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Post by Greg D. Moore (Strider)
I do. It's a good example of how a "hole in the suit" isn't instantly
fatal. Though I had heard (or perhaps a separate incident) where the skin
got sucked into the hole forming a "hickey" that wasn't noticed until
desuiting.
I stuck a high powered pneumatic rattlesnake venom remover on my arm* to
see what that would be like. It's a very noticeable sensation, but not
painful. It sure turns the skin red though, and I suspect it could cause
vascular damage if the effect lasted long enough.
If nothing else sneaking a system like this with a couple dozen vacuum
cups on a tube into position underwater near a public beach then
wrapping the tube around yourself and activating the vacuum system while
screaming "It's got me!" Then releasing a gallon of black latex paint,
followed by running out of the water with a whole ring of 2" diameter
red circles wrapped around your body might be fun though. :-D

* And that's the only place I put it, BTW. :-P

Pat
Dale Carlson
2007-02-12 10:20:59 UTC
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Post by Pat Flannery
I stuck a high powered pneumatic rattlesnake venom remover on my arm* to
see what that would be like.
You have one of those? Why am I not surprised?? :)

Dale
Pat Flannery
2007-02-12 15:31:59 UTC
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Post by Dale Carlson
You have one of those? Why am I not surprised?? :)
I've never had a chance to use it operationally, as the closest wild
rattlesnake is around 100 miles west of here.
Here's the one I have:
http://www.archronicles.com/Adventure-Medical-Snake-Bite-and-Bee-Stings-Kit-w--Sawyer-Extractor.asp
But I got it when I went to the western part of the state to climb North
Dakota's highest point, White Butte.
Although I was able to drive up to within a mile of White Butte, the
area between me and the butte proper was scrub brush grassland that was
chock full of prairie rattlesnakes, which were going through some sort
of population explosion that year*, so I got out of the car, looked over
at White Butte, photographed the rattlesnake coiled up ten feet in front
of the car, got back in the car and left.
Having the possibility of encountering a rattlesnake in the wild is
exciting; having the certainty of encountering multiple rattlesnakes
inside of 1/2 hour is unsettling.
Discretion is the better part of valor. ;-)

* As evidenced by the fact that they were hands-down the most common
road kill you'd see, with a dead one around every mile or so.

Pat
Rand Simberg
2007-02-15 13:03:39 UTC
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Post by Dale Carlson
Post by Pat Flannery
I stuck a high powered pneumatic rattlesnake venom remover on my arm* to
see what that would be like.
You have one of those? Why am I not surprised?? :)
Useful in an emergency. It reminds me of the old joke about the two
guys out hunting, and one of them gets bit by a rattler in a
very...errrrmmmm...private area. He tells his buddy to go get help.
The buddy runs into town, finds a doctor, who tells him that he can't
get there immediately, but to run back and suck the poison out, or he
would die. When he gets back to his friend, the stricken victim asks
what the doctor said.

"He said you're gonna die."
Brian Gaff
2007-02-12 10:03:05 UTC
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Surely you would feel this??

Brian
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Post by Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Post by Pat Flannery
Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)
Never heard of that one before.
I do. It's a good example of how a "hole in the suit" isn't instantly
fatal. Though I had heard (or perhaps a separate incident) where the skin
got sucked into the hole forming a "hickey" that wasn't noticed until
desuiting.
Post by Pat Flannery
Pat
Pat Flannery
2007-02-12 15:12:28 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Surely you would feel this??
Brian
With the venom extractor you noticed the feeling, but what small amount
of pain there was could have been easily attributable to some problem
with glove fit rather than a hole.

Pat
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
2007-02-13 00:44:19 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Surely you would feel this??
Not necessarily.

For one thing the PSIA is only around 3.2. That's not huge. Secondly
you've got enough other stuff going on to be distracted from it.
Post by Brian Gaff
Brian
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Post by Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Post by Pat Flannery
Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)
Never heard of that one before.
I do. It's a good example of how a "hole in the suit" isn't instantly
fatal. Though I had heard (or perhaps a separate incident) where the
skin got sucked into the hole forming a "hickey" that wasn't noticed
until desuiting.
Post by Pat Flannery
Pat
Henry Spencer
2007-02-12 02:28:13 UTC
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Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger...
Never heard of that one before.
It made the news at the time, when it was discovered in the postflight
inspection. Jay Apt, the spacewalker in question, did not notice it, and
the leak was too small for the air loss to be detected. So we're talking
about a pinhole leak, not something sizable.
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Dave Michelson
2007-02-12 09:17:26 UTC
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Post by Pat Flannery
Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger...
Never heard of that one before.
It made the news at the time, when it was discovered in the
postflight inspection. Jay Apt, the spacewalker in question, did not
notice it, and the leak was too small for the air loss to be
detected. So we're talking about a pinhole leak, not something
sizable.
And it was certainly NOT a medical emergency! The bleeding fingernails
that some of the later Apollo moonwalkers endured as they sought to grip
and grasp through thick lunar gloves were far worse.

The closest that Apollo came to a medical emergency during EVA was Jim
Irwin's dehydration on Apollo 15. It sounds trivial but wasn't. Some
believe that Irwin's later heart problems were a direct result.
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Brian Gaff
2007-02-12 10:07:18 UTC
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Of course in the Apollo days, if crew did have adverse reactions, they just
never flew again, I think now there is a lot more interest as to why some
have reactions, and others do not. There also seems to be anecdotal evidence
that each time one flies, the effect is less pronounced.There is still a lot
to learn obviously.

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Steven L.
2007-02-13 05:33:44 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Of course in the Apollo days, if crew did have adverse reactions, they just
never flew again, I think now there is a lot more interest as to why some
have reactions, and others do not. There also seems to be anecdotal evidence
that each time one flies, the effect is less pronounced.There is still a lot
to learn obviously.
What is NASA planning to do to equip a crew medically for a
long-duration mission? A Mars round-trip could take a year or more.
That's plenty of time for even healthy astronauts to get abscessed
teeth, appendicitis, or any number of other acute emergencies that you
can't fix with the usual first-aid kit--when the astronauts are months
from a return to Earth.

Remember the female scientist in Antarctica who developed breast cancer
and had to be examined right there?
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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
2007-02-13 05:40:33 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Of course in the Apollo days, if crew did have adverse reactions, they
just never flew again, I think now there is a lot more interest as to why
some have reactions, and others do not. There also seems to be anecdotal
evidence that each time one flies, the effect is less pronounced.There is
still a lot to learn obviously.
What is NASA planning to do to equip a crew medically for a long-duration
mission? A Mars round-trip could take a year or more. That's plenty of
time for even healthy astronauts to get abscessed teeth, appendicitis, or
any number of other acute emergencies that you can't fix with the usual
first-aid kit--when the astronauts are months from a return to Earth.
Remember the female scientist in Antarctica who developed breast cancer
and had to be examined right there?
Worse case scenario: They die.

The woman in Antartica was a doctor as I recall and self-diagnosed her own
cancer.

Generally they'll be extremely well screened before they leave. Most likely
provided with more than normal medical training and an expanded medical kit.
And hope for the best.
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Henry Spencer
2007-02-14 23:47:47 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
What is NASA planning to do to equip a crew medically for a
long-duration mission? A Mars round-trip could take a year or more.
That's plenty of time for even healthy astronauts to get abscessed
teeth, appendicitis, or any number of other acute emergencies that you
can't fix with the usual first-aid kit...
Even the Apollo crews carried (and were trained to use) rather more than
the usual first-aid kit. For a Mars trip, even more so. A small crew
might not include a doctor (actually, for full coverage you need a *pair*
of doctors, see below), but everyone in it would get special medical
training, and the ship would be equipped for anything up to fairly
substantial surgery. (Experts on the ground can be consulted on details
of procedures -- although not quite in real time, given the communications
lags -- and so it's not quite the same problem as having to be entirely
self-sufficient for medical care.) The range of problems that could
reasonably be dealt with is quite large.

If you run into something that's nevertheless above and beyond the on-hand
capabilities, then you die. Simple as that. It's a chance that people in
remote areas of Earth routinely take today; see below.
Post by Steven L.
Remember the female scientist in Antarctica who developed breast cancer
and had to be examined right there?
Actually, it was a female doctor -- the *only* doctor in that particular
Antarctic outpost. She could diagnose herself, but she really couldn't do
emergency surgery on herself... and it was mid-winter, when flying in and
out of the area is iffy at best. If memory serves, the weather let up
long enough to get a medevac flight in. If that hadn't been possible, her
alternatives were to wait and take her chances, or do her best to train
one of the other people there in the surgical procedures, and hope that
that plus radio coaching would suffice for successful surgery.

(There is precedent for the latter. For example, if memory serves, there
was a case where a WW2 medical corpsman -- not a doctor, but the only
medical staff available on a submarine way out in mid-Pacific -- did an
emergency appendectomy successfully.)
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Derek Lyons
2007-02-15 01:48:58 UTC
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Post by Henry Spencer
If you run into something that's nevertheless above and beyond the on-hand
capabilities, then you die. Simple as that. It's a chance that people in
remote areas of Earth routinely take today; see below.
Or folks on submarines, the Doc had a store of body bags onboard for
just that purpose. (I made one patrol where a fellow spent three
quarters of it in his rack sedated - though I forget the illness that
he suffered from.)
Post by Henry Spencer
(There is precedent for the latter. For example, if memory serves, there
was a case where a WW2 medical corpsman -- not a doctor, but the only
medical staff available on a submarine way out in mid-Pacific -- did an
emergency appendectomy successfully.)
IIRC, there were at least three cases of that. (Though I should point
out that after the first, the practice was strongly discouraged.)

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Scott Hedrick
2007-02-15 03:53:21 UTC
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Post by Henry Spencer
(There is precedent for the latter. For example, if memory serves, there
was a case where a WW2 medical corpsman -- not a doctor, but the only
medical staff available on a submarine way out in mid-Pacific -- did an
emergency appendectomy successfully.)
Then there was the Ensign Pulver affair...where he made certain the Captain
would *never* lose his marbles.
Paul Repacholi
2007-02-15 15:59:31 UTC
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Post by Henry Spencer
(There is precedent for the latter. For example, if memory serves,
there was a case where a WW2 medical corpsman -- not a doctor, but
the only medical staff available on a submarine way out in
mid-Pacific -- did an emergency appendectomy successfully.)
There where AIR at least two apendecectomies done on fishing trawlers
in the Gulf of Carpenteria over the year.

The RFDS probably has a shed load of cases where they have used radio
to direct surgery in cut off locations.

Steven L.
2007-02-13 05:30:02 UTC
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Post by Dave Michelson
The closest that Apollo came to a medical emergency during EVA was Jim
Irwin's dehydration on Apollo 15.
How did he manage to get dehydrated? Just plumb forgot to hydrate
himself before exertion?
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Dave Michelson
2007-02-13 07:02:11 UTC
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Post by Dave Michelson
The closest that Apollo came to a medical emergency during EVA was Jim
Irwin's dehydration on Apollo 15.
How did he manage to get dehydrated? Just plumb forgot to hydrate
himself before exertion?
His in-suit water system simply hadn't worked. As a result, he went over
seven hours without water during EVA 1. Scott's wasn't working properly
either but had at least provided some water. No such luck for Irwin.
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Pat Flannery
2007-02-13 11:49:45 UTC
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Post by Dave Michelson
His in-suit water system simply hadn't worked. As a result, he went over
seven hours without water during EVA 1.
Oh, that must have been fun; especially with the suit dehumidification
system running.

Pat
Skylon
2007-02-14 01:35:55 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by Dave Michelson
The closest that Apollo came to a medical emergency during EVA was Jim
Irwin's dehydration on Apollo 15.
How did he manage to get dehydrated? Just plumb forgot to hydrate
himself before exertion?
His in-suit water system simply hadn't worked. As a result, he went over
seven hours without water during EVA 1. Scott's wasn't working properly
either but had at least provided some water. No such luck for Irwin.
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Did Irwin just not tell anyone or did MOCR know and urge him on with
the EVA?

-A.L.
Terrell Miller
2007-02-14 01:56:16 UTC
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Post by Dave Michelson
Post by Steven L.
How did he manage to get dehydrated? Just plumb forgot to hydrate
himself before exertion?
His in-suit water system simply hadn't worked. As a result, he went over
seven hours without water during EVA 1. Scott's wasn't working properly
either but had at least provided some water. No such luck for Irwin.
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Dave Michelson
Did Irwin just not tell anyone or did MOCR know and urge him on with
the EVA?
erm...he was *on the moon*. Right then, right there. He can rehydrate after
cabin repress once they close out all the EVA tasks.
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Dave Michelson
2007-02-14 05:47:10 UTC
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Post by Skylon
Post by Dave Michelson
His in-suit water system simply hadn't worked. As a result, he
went over seven hours without water during EVA 1. Scott's wasn't
working properly either but had at least provided some water.
No such luck for Irwin.
Did Irwin just not tell anyone or did MOCR know and urge him on
with the EVA?
erm...he was *on the moon*. Right then, right there. He can rehydrate
after cabin repress once they close out all the EVA tasks.
Irwin didn't want to see the EVA terminated early so kept quiet about
the problem.

Seven hours of heavy exertion without water was fairly brutal. Irwin's
weight loss was significant. Furthermore, both Scott and Irwin
experienced heart arrhythmias - premature ventricular contractions
(PVCs) - on the lunar surface and during the trip back. Irwin's
episodes were worse than Scott's. NASA concluded that the pre-flight
regimen played a role, but the lack of water made it worse.
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Skylon
2007-02-14 23:26:45 UTC
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Post by Terrell Miller
erm...he was *on the moon*. Right then, right there. He can rehydrate after
cabin repress once they close out all the EVA tasks.
Um...yeah, I feakin' knew that. I just wanted to know if MOCR knew or
not. MOCR might have HAD to terminate the EVA if they knew, regardless
of the impact on the mission. I dunno what mission rules dictated.

Thanks for your response Dave. Had I been Irwin I'd have probably done
the same thing.

-A.L.
Brian Gaff
2007-02-12 10:02:03 UTC
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It sure explains the concern about trying different gloves on the last few
spacewalks though. I understand that both of them suffered abrasions to the
hands.

Brian
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Post by Pat Flannery
Post by Wok
On STS-37, the palm restraint in one of the astronaut's gloves
came loose and migrated until it punched a hole in the pressure
bladder between his thumb and forefinger. The astronaut bled out
into space, but the skin of the astronaut's hand partially
sealed the opening. His coagulating blood sealed the opening
enough that the bar was retained inside the hole. (16)
Never heard of that one before.
Pat
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